Many churches claim that parents are the primary faith-formers of their kids, but the data show that most families and most pastors don't actually agree on what that means in practice. Rick will be interviewed in this session on the findings from the largest study ever conducted on Canadian evangelical parents and pastors, revealing a quiet divide between parents who see discipleship as their calling and those who've handed it off to the church. We'll dig into why theologically literate, church-attending families still default to Sunday school as their discipleship plan, and what that reveals about how children's ministry has been built for decades. This session won't ask you to pick a side between home and church, since most families land somewhere in between anyway. Instead, it names the real, often uncomfortable work a church has to do if it actually means it when it says discipleship starts at home.